Christian Guy

Hey Daz,

I cannot believe that I am the first person to make a comment about this issue. Probably because I am on the net looking for some linux software rather than watching Australian Idol on tv. No, I am not watching it and probably will not. I have not to date.

I think your comments are comprehensive, well thought out and summarise some of my sentiments. I will make a comment on the last part. We have seen this before. I can only think of Garry Ablett, everyone's hero and saviour. I saw him at Richmond AOG and something felt wrong. Not that he would go and sin later type wrong. Wrong about the way we objectified him, used him, and then were silent when it all hit the fan for him.

I am just not so sure about celebrity being the way in which Jesus does stuff. And is it just me, or does the word "Idol" in the title of the show bother anyolne else?

Stephen Said » 19 November, 2003 6:49 PM

Well written. I haven't voted for either contestant but I agree that based on talent, Guy should win.

I wonder what will happen if Guy wins and goes on to produce 'secular' music. What will happen if he chooses not to pump out 'Christian' music? Will Christian supporters complain that he has sold out?

Music is a wierd one for Christians. If a Christian muso doesn't push their faith through their music people say that they're in error. I want to ask about Christian people of other vocations. Do we expect Christian carpenters to only build religious furniture? Do we get annoyed when a Christian plumber welds up pipes that aren't destined to carry 'living water'?

If Guy wins, and I think he will, I hope that he is allowed to run his new career in whatever way he believes God is leading him rather than how som many thousands expect him to.

Rodney Olsen » 19 November, 2003 7:35 PM

Good post Darren :) Just posted on my blog about it too:

http://www.cre8d-design.com/journal/archives/australian_idol_thoughts.php

Rachel C » 19 November, 2003 7:46 PM

Well, I guess its the same as Aussie's claiming New Zealand stars as there own!

Guy definately has loads of talent and deserves to win. I think people forget that if he wins he walks straight into a contract that he won't have much control of. From what I heard on a interview, all the songs have already been chosen for the first album.

I think people should stop pressuring and just let Guy and God work their magic!

Tanya » 19 November, 2003 9:20 PM

I tend to agree with Tania. I also don't see a clash between Guy's new status as the first Australian Idol and his religion. It is just that Guy will not have as much time to devote to it as he did before.

That is only good - God is the last power that would interfere with anyone's personal journey.

Damir Kalajdzic » 19 November, 2003 9:45 PM

The Idol has been chosen. Australians have cast their vote. And the first Australian Idol is...

G U Y!!
Congratulations to Guy, and lets not forget about Shannon too, since he was sincerely happy to see his friend claim the crown. We all know same would have happened if Shannon won.

Well done, boys! As for Guy, we can rest assured he will make all other contenders for the World Idol crown run for their money, and probably their votes as well.

Damir Kalajdzic » 19 November, 2003 9:56 PM

Darren - I made a maybe not so subtle comment about this on my blog a few days ago here. I had to restrain myself from saying more.

I watched Idol for the first time tonight - the first half exceedingly boring. Fuy is obviously talented so I was not too surprised or upset that he won. I liked that the two guys seemed to have a genuine friendship (hard to tell with the media beat up about that...but the body language seemed genuine). I especially liked that his mum simply said to him go and have fun.

I don't know Guy, but know Guy's church and have friends who go there (including one I saw on TV tonight). It is quite influential in our city - fingers in every pie - and has not been without its own controversies over the years. But it does share the obsession - as do many other Christians - for latching on to anyone in the public eye who is a Christian and putting undue pressure on them to promote some agenda. The 'our Guy', 'key to revival' etc are very much part of the faith language of that church so some of it would be coming from there, perhaps unintentionaly or naively in some cases. (Think Hillsong and Darren Beadman - same denomination, same approach).

Guy seems level headed from all I've heard and read so I'll be praying that he doesn't come under the spell - that Christians at least give him room to just be himself (he will be under enough pressure from the music moguls) and let him be the man God created Him to be. I certainly be encouraging others to do the same if his name comes up.

We Christians need put our faith in God, not create our own idols. And we should certainly learn not to devour our young.

saint » 19 November, 2003 10:23 PM

In America, the email would have been very powerful. There are Christians ready to latch onto anything without any factual evidence.

Brian » 19 November, 2003 11:32 PM

At a not-so-high-profile level, haven't we seen this happen countless times? A member of the Youth Group scores straight A's in major school exams, and everybody is all about how he's "such a great testimony". I've started wondering about how the other students feel... those who worked hard and did their best, but got B's and C's -- do they feel like they're not worthy to be "great testimonies"? That God didn't help them to do well? Or what?

irene » 20 November, 2003 12:09 AM

Good comment by Rodney. Whatever vocation we've been called to, be it Christian ministry or secular work, we should live as full-time Christians. I guess it'll just be that much tougher for people like Guy who will now be under the spotlight. It's easy for us to idolise these famous Christians and point the finger with every wrong move they make. But what's the difference between Guy and us? We're not perfect. We stuff up at some point, and so will Guy. It's just that when Guy stuffs up, the camera lens and media will pounce onto him. Being a practicing Christian (and merely a nominal one), I guess Guy will face a lot more temptations to fall into "worldly ways". But that's between him and God. We just have to not make the mistake of watching his every move and idolising him. God loves Guy (as much as we do ^^) and has opened up this path in his life. Let's just wait and see how God leads him and pray that Guy responds in a way that glorifies Christ and God.

mimi » 20 November, 2003 1:57 AM

I think Guy should be left to be a Christian to those that he comes in contact with - let them see how he lives and decide. I think scrambling onto the Guy bandwagon is only going to make Christians look stupid, label Guy as some crazy pentacostal and ruin any mainstream appeal. He managed to win without Christian notoriety, so let the guy (pun) just do his thing in peace. Wait for the "Church of Guy Sebastian" billboards to go up.

Luke » 20 November, 2003 7:57 AM

Hi There...

I was thrilled that Guy won Australian Idol last night. I believe that he should have won it from his natural ability to perform and gifted singing voice.

In terms of how God's plan fits with all of this, it is not an easy question and only God really knows the answer to it! But what I do believe is this:

Romans 8:28 says that God will use all things for the good of those who love him. I think that this situation could be a good thing for bringing attention to God and making people realise that Christianity is definitely not a "boring" or "stupid" thing, but that it is the most exciting walk you can take. Obviously everything is not always rosy in the Christian life (in fact the reality is that it's a lot HARDER) and most defintely God will not promise for us to all become pop stars or sport stars or whatver. But I think that there will be some good come out of this.

It will be a difficult thing for Guy to maintain strength in God with the media wanting to interview him 24/7. but I think that if Guy remains close to God through prayer and reading the bible every day - that he will remain grounded in what is really important without being swept up in all the media hype. It would be easy for all of this praise to go straight to Guy's head, but if he remains strong in his faith, the glory will be given to God.

God bless
Andrew =)

Eadie » 20 November, 2003 10:36 AM

Yes, some very level-headed thinking on this forum from other readers, congratulations Guy and I don't think there is a spot of chance that Guy didn't deserve his win. He has amazing talent from what we have seen and the inspiring possibility of him advancing in a musical career is enthralling to say the least.

As to his religion, it should be accepted, recognised and then everyone should move on. The names such as 'our guy' are mostly just because those followers love him so much they want to share his experience. The basic truth is that personal preferences of any kind should be kept aside and biased votes and opinions of Guy Sebastien are unfair, he should be judged only by his performing capacity on the show. On a personal level perhaps things change.

Thanks for so many memories Guy!!

Clarky » 20 November, 2003 3:12 PM

I think Guy Sebastion handle himself as to how A 'TRUE CHRISTIAN', should be. Himself,!
He has shown UNCONDICTIONAL LOVE towards all those whome he was competeing up againest.
As he trusted God for the out come of what ever would be.
I also believe Guy would of been as humble as the night he won, even if he didnt win.
He would of supported the one who would have.
Guy is a very humble and loveing young man.
I believe that when you do that God, does work on your behalf.
Guy had shown his love for Christ in not only how he handle himself on stage but,
in his songs, his love for the other's who competted with him.
Guy stayed humble during this whole 6 months of auditioning.
He didnt let it go to his head.
The love of God shines in this young mans face always.

Thats a true mark of a Christian!!

I believe he will do what ever God lays on his heart to do.
What ever reaches the people for Christ is what Guy is ''ALL ABOUT ''.
I just pray we have the christians out there who will look at him just as that
and not judge him for when he does make songs they dont agree with.
Because then God will judge them.

Penny

Penny » 21 November, 2003 4:57 AM

I think Guy Sebastion handle himself as to how A 'TRUE CHRISTIAN', should be. Himself,!
He has shown UNCONDICTIONAL LOVE towards all those whome he was competeing up againest.
As he trusted God for the out come of what ever would be.
I also believe Guy would of been as humble as the night he won, even if he didnt win.
He would of supported the one who would have.
Guy is a very humble and loveing young man.
I believe that when you do that God, does work on your behalf.
Guy had shown his love for Christ in not only how he handle himself on stage but,
in his songs, his love for the other's who competted with him.
Guy stayed humble during this whole 6 months of auditioning.
He didnt let it go to his head.
The love of God shines in this young mans face always.

Thats a true mark of a Christian!!

I believe he will do what ever God lays on his heart to do.
What ever reaches the people for Christ is what Guy is ''ALL ABOUT ''.
I just pray we have the christians out there who will look at him just as that
and not judge him for when he does make songs they dont agree with.
Because then God will judge them.

Penny

» 21 November, 2003 5:00 AM

As a christian who watched Australian Idol every week, I would like to say "CONGRATULATIONS GUY!"

I believe that the best thing that we can do for him, as fellow believers, is to hold him up in prayer to the Lord and let him be the man that God wants him to be. Guy will be under so much pressure from his new commitments and my prayers are usually along the lines of "Lord, let him remember you and feel your arms around him. Please keep you as his focus."

Pray!Pray!Pray!

Jackie » 21 November, 2003 9:55 AM

Another view on Guy, his Christian faith and his participation in Australian Idol:

Australian Idol

irene » 21 November, 2003 9:30 PM

Look he just won Australian idol and he's having his dreams realised i think that what Guy does is up to Guy and of course God but let's be honest here all the church was trying to do was show support i don't think that there putting pressure on Guy i mean he will do whatever he wants regardless of what anyone says and as someone else said earlier Music is a weird thing for Christians everybody has a different opinion on it so he can't really be a key for revival because everyone would just be arguing about wether what he's singing is holy or not! and wether his road to fame was Gods will!
personally though i think it's great to see a commited christian in that position so give they guy some space let him have some fun and Guy will do what he feels he needs to do and what God wants him to do

crisa » 21 November, 2003 10:28 PM

I think this was an extremely well written article and i congratulate the author. I speak as an atheist and a Guy Sebastian supporter. Firstly i pity Shannon Noll who, despite lack of knowledge concerning his personal faith, was not 'chosen' by god as the first Australian Idol. Noll had children out of wedlock, but i do not believe he should be excluded as a child of God as a result of this. Encouragement of the Christian church of Guy in this way is disgraceful as it does not in any way advocate the forgiveness and equality of God's children that Christian faith preaches. I think Guy has been extremely considerate in the airing of his views throughout the AI series. He has not forced his belief system into the households of Australia but has acknowledged his own religion. Many Christians may view this as a way to enlighten the youth of Australia through Guy as an evangalist. Needed for note however is the multicultural nature of Australia, and the need for consideration of these different religious groups who, steadfast in their beliefs, do not believe themselves to be at all uneducated in the ways of God. I do not believe in God, but respect those who choose too. In the same way, i expect consideration from members of relgious groups to allow me to continue my life without constant interruption in a vain attempt to convert me. Congratulations Guy, you are an idol to the youth of Australia in your strength of character and individuality. I do not believe the title is meant to encourage worship, but a role model, and in this the system has succeeded in a perfect choice. I sincerely hope that Guy chooses his own path in his career, unaffected by the expectations of the Christian community, but must also note that if his attempts turn from celebrating his religion to attempts to convert the youth of Australia, I will tune out. I am part of this youth that the Christian community believes is lacking in morals, but at 16 I also have the right to be understood as one allowed to choose their own spiritual course in life.

Jobby » 22 November, 2003 1:00 AM

I think it's great to see Guy Sebastion win a competition, who knows what in store for this talented young man who unashamedly declares his faith and beliefs in God, In an age where it is often frowned upon and scoffed at. The path was there and he had to find it, He chose God, God did not choose him.
Whether I be an atheist or not, I believe that we need role models and Shannon may well have been one as well. Because of the mechanics of the whole competition, I undoubtedly believe lifelong friendships may have been forged between Guy and Shannon, regardless of the outcome of the competition.

May God bless the both of them and those they hold dear to their hearts.

Libby » 22 November, 2003 8:43 PM

OMG!! Guy is the best!!
He's a great singer and sexy as well.
Guy you are so Great and you represent Australia fantasticly!! Love you guy!!
call me!!

Skye » 23 November, 2003 2:09 PM

I read an article recently in a newspaper about Guy making God cool again. And while those words make me somewhat exasperated (for me, God was never uncool, fundamentalism is uncool!) I agree with what they are saying. There has been debate raging about whether a christian should participate in a show with the word 'idol' in the title and to me, this is frivolous. Yes, I believe that we should not put other gods before our God, and yes, we should not encourage others to idolise anything other than God even if they don't know God. But in his interactions with fans already, Guy has pointed to God for everyone to see, and surely that would be one purpose for his presence in this competition.
I believe with the humility and genuine love Guy has shown for all the people he has come across during this competition, it demonstrates the depth of his commitment to God. Unquestionably, a fella that in tune with God that he made it a priority to pray privately in the whirlwind before the grand final show, it would reinforce the fact that God has him exactly where he wants him. i don't believe that anything happens by chance and I firmly believe, that despite humans free will and what happens everyday in the world, it is all ultimately a part of God's plan. I respect Guy's humble and honest approach to dealing with issues (gay rumours, his virginity) that have arisen during the competition and believe he possesses the characteristics to assertively deal with the pressure the Christian community may try to force on Guy to be a 'great testimony to God'. As far as I am concerned, it's more important that we recognise Guy is a Christian, but human nonetheless and susceptible to falling. My prayer is not that he will kickstart a revolution or a revival, instead that he would genuinely influence a searching generation to a real and positive relationship with their Father in Heaven and most of all, that he would never lose sight of what he was searching for all along.

Sally » 23 November, 2003 4:09 PM

I just think its great to have a real christian winner for once that is proud to promote the word of jesus christ. So many stars do then fade away look at britany spears? guy is different he is geninue and i thank him for that

philly » 23 November, 2003 4:59 PM

Guy is so so good i was so happy that he won!!! i was voting for him all the way. The best part is the fact that he is a christian! Hes the best to represent Australia in world idol and PHILLY i totaly agree with you :)

GO THE FRO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jane » 23 November, 2003 6:01 PM

U are so right jane. Guy is the best for the Job!

and he is totaly hot

lilly T. » 23 November, 2003 6:06 PM

shannon rokz.
hello
hello
anyone awake
go shannon
he rokz

» 23 November, 2003 7:13 PM

WOW... sooo many interesting comments on da GUY!! I reali appreciate all the thought ppl are putting in2 this. I am a Christian and proud of it. I've enjoyed reading thru otha christians comments on Guy and his new found fame... but i also respect and relate to what those who choose not to believe in God hav written. I think we shud let the guy do what he wants, and it is obvious that he wants to praise our God. But let us let him do this in his own way, he is a unique individual who has chosen to express his love for God and LIFE thru his totally amazing gift of a beautiful voice and personality. God will work wonders, in his time. I'm so sure that Guy's relationship with God is so strong that he is willing to do what God has intended for him... God is a God of LOVE he wants us including GUY to have JOY and LIVE LIFE 2THE FULL!!! I am inspired by this awesome Guy, let him live his life to the full, whether it means sharing his praise to God to the whole world, or if he spends his time wid God one on one, either way let us not judge him. HE IS A DUDE and a ROLE MODEL FOR ALL!!!! GO GUY!! We all love ya :) :) Kylie Smilie :) :)

Kylie » 23 November, 2003 9:32 PM

"OMG!! Guy is the best!!"

Interesting culture we have nowadays. Using OMG has become so common that it has its own abreviation.

I think Guy would be thrilled but also a little worried when kids are screaming in ecstacy at the sight of him... bringing on the debate about "Australian Idol" being just that... is it just me or do other people feel a little uneasy when they see teenagers screaming their lung out until they faint when they see someone? something a little unhealthy about that?

myturn » 24 November, 2003 2:16 AM

Well - like many others I have to say who can see what is in Guy's heart? Or his relationship with God?

Like most Christians I feel proud to say Guy is a christian like me but I don't think that is any different from someone from Adelaide saying he is from Adelaide like me or someone with a 'fro...

The main point is the entertianment he has provided and the consideration he has shown to others. His talents (given by God) will take him places. His fame is determined by the public - and that includes us all. His destiny is determined by God alone!

On a related point...it's nice to see a reality show that seemed to be based on real talent (not nasty, sly tricks) didn't focus overtly on sex and had some very nice people in it - Guy being one of them.

Mel

Mel » 24 November, 2003 6:05 PM

i love guy GO GUY
he has the best voice and is the best dancer

quel » 24 November, 2003 9:49 PM

i Love u so much GO GUY
go the fro!!
u have the best voice and u are a mad dancer
u will make australia go wild
luv from quel (racquel)
mwaaaahhh :):) !!!

racquel » 24 November, 2003 9:55 PM

In my opinion Guy has handled himself brilliantly. I myself follow christianity however I do not believe in Bible Bashing as its so politely named :P I think that a lot of CHristians are obsessed with him because he is christian..I am obsessed with him because he is majorly talented. The fact that he has a strong belief in god is just a bonus for me. I think Guy handled himself well throughout the whole series and leaves a lot to be respected

Lauren » 25 November, 2003 9:36 PM

Australia,well done. You have finally accepted that every citizen of Australia, regardless of background, has the right & is good enough to represent Australia as a proud Australian. This is a defining moment in the history of this young country, a turning point to be remembered in years to come. I am so proud of you Australia.

Congratulations Guy! May your ideals,faith & principles in life be a shining beacon to all those who ''idolise'' you. Be bold, be strong & be couragious as you embark on the journey of your dream that will need all the first love & faith you can give & share, everyday of your life ,for as long as you live.

Jai » 26 November, 2003 1:11 AM

ur lyk the best from east to west from north to south
i bought llyk 5 copys of ur cds man and i voted for u lyk 80 tyms cause ur amazing i luv u nd am hoping to meet u luv ya always mwa and good luk mate i know u can do wateva u want ciaoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

SHIREEN » 26 November, 2003 6:16 PM

Hey all of you Guy Fans just wanted to say i love everything about him everything!!!!!!!!!!!!

kirsty » 26 November, 2003 6:48 PM

Guy also is the best singer in Australia.
He deserves to win.
According to me it's Gods gift to Guy for being such a good servant to him.

All the best to you Guy.
Continue to sing for the Lord.
Love
Corn

Cornelia » 26 November, 2003 6:56 PM

Its natural for Aussies to claim their superstars. Like when Nicole Kidman won her Oscar, everywhere it was 'Our Nicole' like as though she became a saint or something. And Aussies have a tug-of-war with the Kiwis over Russell Crowe. Is there a possibility Malaysia might be putting 'claims' on Guy?
:)

idol_fan » 26 November, 2003 8:33 PM

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shellfish » 26 November, 2003 9:28 PM

well darren, maybe Guy just wants to "sing and expand musically" but maybe thats not the only thing God wants him to do. i mean when Guy started this thing, he probably didnt know what was bound for him but i believe, and this is what lead me to vote for him as well, that he is going to be used mightily by God in the music world for everybody, esp. the youth. but this isnt the only reason i voted for him. he's been blessed with beautiful talent like no other.
i also hope that guy isnt getting pressured with the expectations of the "christians." but what we can do is only pray for Guy that he will be able to fulfill what has been planned for him cos thats the only way hes gonna be successful. im from an AOG church too and my dad has included him in his preaching as well, even tho he may have to sing "secular" songs, just as long he sings insprational songs, cos we need more of that stuff. and so long as it isnt encouraging immoral behaviour. and i believe that Guy will stand by his beliefs. i hope that Guy knows that there are a lot of people out there praying for him to be able to stay strong in this industry. God bless Guy and his family.

charmagne (melb) » 26 November, 2003 10:55 PM

Met a pastor last night who told me he met Guy on a plane this week. Guy told him the reason he and Shannon seemed such good friends on the show was that Guy had just led him to Christ!
Urban myth?

mark » 26 November, 2003 11:14 PM

hi darren, i thank the Lord so much that a christian (like me) is our australian idol! i mean his such a good role model! i actually value that! it was God's plan for him to win and his got a greater plan for him in the future! even God has a wonderful plan for shannon. Guy is the perfect person to win this talent show. because there is so many broken dreams that many youths have and being put down. i am so inspired from his voice and very blessed having the privilage to hear him and i am 14 years old and sometimes i felt like giving up my singing (i sing at church) but as i see GUY sing, he sings his heart out for God! now every sunday morning, i just now, sing my heart out to God! my brother, Paolo his 18 and his a worship leader and he so wants to be like GUY! i mean GUY's voice is obviously from GOD! i hope i get to meet guy because i would love to and just get encouraged from him and my brother.. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!
PLANET SHAKERS ARE COOL =)

crisel (melb) » 27 November, 2003 12:16 AM

What you guys need to understand is that the Media in Australia (as well as the world) is run by the Jews. They have total control over it, and over what information is given by it. So if the Jews want to portray someone as something for their own reasons they'll go ahead. They are making Guy Sebastian to be something he isn't for their own greedy reasons. Australia has many Christians and Muslims. This tactic is used by Jews to get a sense of Christianity Unity and participation by the Church with the modern era, e.g. "Australian Idol". If they succeed, this will mean Islam will be left behind and isolated from the rest of the religions. I know your reading this and thinking nonsense, but I have spoken to insiders of SBS who are against these acts and are priveledged to such information. What you guys need to understand is that the Jews have taken over Australia via economy and their using Australian Idol, Guy Sebastian and anything else they can pay for to succeed in a social genocide of Islam. I am not Islamic nor affiliated with their religion, I am christian myself but unlike many others, I am not blind to the truth. Jesus told us to breath in the truth like air, and exhale it so others may breathe from it. I can gurantee within 5 years time, Australia will have 95-97% Jew owned companies based in Australia.

Adam » 28 November, 2003 10:18 AM

Christians should understand that Guy shouldn't and doesn't need to resort to "Bible Bashing" because all he needs to do is be himself. Action speaks louder than words. He believes in God and keeps to Christian values and whether he is eloquent about it or not, it will be reflected in his actions and music. People will connect to and respect that better than having some pious person force the word of God on you, which frankly, is just plain scary. Don't get me wrong, I am a Christian too. Besides, whether Guy chooses to use his voice and fame to promote God and Christianity or not, it is ultimately, his life and his choice.
Go Guy! God Bless You and everyone else who's reading this!

Marion » 29 November, 2003 7:03 AM

Christians should understand that Guy shouldn't and doesn't need to resort to "Bible Bashing" for action speaks louder than words. Whether he is eloquent about his belief in God and Christian values or not, it will be reflected in his actions and music. People will connect to, understand and respect this better than having a pious person forcing the word of God on you, which frankly, is downright scary. Don't get me wrong. I am a Christian myself. Besides, whether he decides to use his voice and fame to promote Christianity or not, it is ultimately, his life and his choice. Let him do what he does best... Sing with his heart and soul.
Good luck and May God Bless You, Guy! (And everyone else who is reading this!)

Marion » 29 November, 2003 7:18 AM

Yes Guy is great, but no better than Shannon, my thoughts are: if all the christians hadn't voted for Guy, Shannon would of won. Its a shame that Guy wont make a cent in this business after the recording companies drain everything from him. I have known more than my share of performers that have been taken for a ride by the recording companies, ALL CHRISTIANS WILL HAVE TO DIG DEEP TO KEEP A SHIRT ON HIS BACK.

GUYS JUST SIT BACK AND LISTEN TO THE THE VOICE OF SHANNON, SO MUCH MORE FEELING AND POWER AND STRENGTH IN THAT VOICE, YOU GUYS HAD BEEN FOOLED BY GUYS SEXUAL APPEAL,I FOUND IT VERY DIFFICULT TO HEAR HIS VOICE ABOVE THE MUSIC. ANYHOW THATS MY POINT OF VIEW

FELICITY » 29 November, 2003 9:22 AM

In response to the comment from Adam; I think your comment was TOTALLY unneccessary. You probably think you are 100% correct but just a couple of statements from a few people at the SBS television station does not make it the truth. Please before you go blaming people because of their faith I suggest you remember where this train of thought has led to every time - hate and violence. I just feel so sad that in this day and age we still cannot practice tolerance.

lauren » 30 November, 2003 1:19 AM

Im a christian too even thought im only 10 years old i know about a lot of this has been for guy!I come from Immanuel city church onqueen street in campbelltown and we wanted guy to win and that has.Guy has a lot of faith and a lot of courage but most of all he never gives up and thats what makes him stand up.

Natalie Brown » 30 November, 2003 8:22 AM

i think the church as a whole has done the "our Guy" thing they use the christians in the public eye to try and promote the church i think that this is pretty well.. stupid because god said to lift him up and he will draw people not lift up famous people and they will draw people

Nelson » 30 November, 2003 6:31 PM

Congratulations Guy,
God did bring you here and i only hope you keep pumping that music out for us. I am also a christian and think it is the best to see you show the world that you have god in your heart and your not ashamed to admit it. I believe you have the best voice around. I feel you are the next elvis presley!!!!
When you sing i get gouse bumps you are a real angel to listen too. God blessed you with a wonderful tool so keep using it.
Shantell

shantell » 30 November, 2003 7:25 PM

IN RESPONSE TO FELICITYS COMMENT,
WHAT A SHAME IT IS FOR PEOPLE IN THE WORLD LIKE YOU. I ONLY HOPE THAT IT WAS ALL JUST CHRISTIANS VOTING FOR GUY CAUSE THAT WOULD MEAN THEIR ARE A LOT MORE BELIEVERS IN THIS COUNTRY THAN I THOUGHT.
SHANNON IS A GREAT SINGER ALSO BUT THE BEST MAN WON.

shantell » 30 November, 2003 7:33 PM

Having re-read the column, i find myself disappointed in the capacity of thought provocation among Australians. I believe the entire message or discussion starter of this article has been ignored. I do not wish to be offensive or generalising, but it seems to be those with strong Christian beliefs who are choosing to ignore the wrongs of using Guy Sebastian as a church puppet. Guy may be a Christian, but his role as one is too highly expected. I wonder, has anyone asked Guy whether he would like to add secular music to his CD's? Guy Sebastian is a fantastic performer, whether this is God-sent or not, however this perversion of his beliefs amongst the Christian ranks disgusts me. Yes, i believe you have all answered that Guy is a good role model, also you think he has a great voice. Now it's time to pull the proverbial finger out and question whether you are benefiting anyone by the expectations placed upon Guy. Question your own beliefs, question your neighbours beliefs, but most of all, question the fairness of pushing your own beliefs upon others, whether through secular music or door to door visits. God has given free will, then forbidden the use of it. If those who do not believe risk 'hell' so be it, those 'enlightened' ones can smirk. In the meantime appreciate Guy for his talents, not his choice of religion

jobby » 1 December, 2003 12:51 AM

What makes you all think that christianity should be preached to the public?

mythy » 1 December, 2003 1:14 AM

"God has given free will, then forbidden the use of it"

I think you'll find the truth is precisely the opposite.

David » 1 December, 2003 3:42 AM

well Nelson, God did say to lift Him up.however, what u dont understand is that God uses ppl to lift him up as well. and in this case, one of them just might be Guy. and obviously, he has done just that by his actions and wise statements.

charmagne » 1 December, 2003 11:39 AM

"God has given free will, then forbidden the use of it. "

jobby, i can see that YOU havent CHOSEN the same beliefs as christians. do u still think that God has forbidden free will?

and if Guy doesnt want to be used as a "church puppet" as u call it, he could just say so. but the reason we support him is cos of his great talent. what he believes in is just a bonus. if he thinks the expectations are too high, then he can say so.

charmagne » 1 December, 2003 11:46 AM

Charmagne. When he says to you that he doesn't want to preach to the public through his music then will you still support him and advertise how wonderful and what a 'Godsend' he is? I have chosen not to believe in an organised religion, but that choice is threatened by people such as yourself who try to convert 'heathens' in a forceful way (such as by visiting their homes one by one). What i meant by that comment was that God gave people free will, but as soon as he condemned those who did not worship him, this was taken away. This free will suddenly has exceptions. 'You may have free will....so long as you worship me.' That is not true free will and choice. David, if the truth is entirely opposite please demonstrate how. I am willing to listen to your arguement and take it into account. Please, any further rebuttals of my comments should be backed up by actual arguements. Just telling me that we have free will is not enough to change my mind.
I have no doubt that you support his talent, however i believe too much emphasis has been placed on his beliefs and these beliefs are not a reason to support him, as many people have encouraged. For those who have not received the email concerning such, the essence of the email was that all Christians should vote for Guy so he can 'enlighten' the youth of Australia.
Mythy i congratulate you for summing up in one line what i could not. 'What makes you think that Christianity should be preached to the public?'
I stand by my comments and sincerely hope that his path can be one chosen for himself, not by God, and certainly not by those who are using him to push God to an unwilling audience.

jobby » 1 December, 2003 3:46 PM

jobby, truly God did send Guy to be the Australian Idol so that Australia can idolise his ideals. Believe it or not, God has already used Guy to share about Christianity.. This argument goin on rite here is sharing Christianity to you, because of Guy, true? Well I don't wanna be preachy or anything, but Christianity is not a religion, and I think you are confusing Christianity with "religion". In short, Christianity is a personal relationship with God. I have my free will, and I choose to have that relationship. Jobby, you also have free will, and exercise it by not havin a relationship with the dude upstairs. But you know every choice we make has consequences, and when our lives are over we'll see what happens.. What's wrong with having a lil bit of faith just to save yourself from "the burning depths of hell". It's the best insurance policy I think.. Guy believes in the same thing I do, and God has blessed him with that GREAT voice. Even heathens say that his voice is "heavensent". I voted for Guy because of his talent and I believe he's a great influence on young Australians. Let's just see if my God has more plans for Guy.. Only time will tell…

'You may have free will... so long as you worship me.' --> jobby, you don't worship Him, but you've got free will and ur using it to diss God.. I'm using my free will to tell you how great God is, but you keep on using your free will to refuse to believe. Now it's my free will to say, “It's your loss”.. Our destiny is certainly governed by the choices we make, and God isn’t forcing you to go to hell, but you choose the path you walk. You see, the reason why Christians want to share Christianity to the world is because we wanna let y’all kno that there’s a better, alternative choice. We don’t want ppl to go to hell, so we’re sorry if you feel like we’re shoving it down your throat.. Think of a loving parent giving their young child an off-tasting medicine, they’re shoving it down their throat.. but with love =P Stop thinking too much about the logic of things and try and just believe, it’s not gonna kill you..

If you think the church has placed a great responsibility on Guy’s head to share the Word, it’s not that great a responsibility. Every Christian has the responsibility to share God’s word, but the difference with Guy is that God has given him a bigger platform and bigger audience to share it to. Actually, it’s easier for Guy to share the word because of his God-given talent. If not by preaching, but by example. Guy can choose his own path.. Fame, fortune, the “good” life… or go the way God wants him to go, and get fame, fortune and the REAL good life…

Charmagne » 1 December, 2003 6:52 PM

Congradulations on your win in ausie idol, i thin that you do really good even when people said that you sould of not won because of your vioce but what happened of you being a christian did you change or are still the christian sort of person that you still were well for me i am hard out christian and i am in the priase and worship group and i priase the lord with glorie how about you? i think that you have a beautiful gift and telent. and again congradulations on your won on ausie idol.

June Aumua » 1 December, 2003 7:04 PM

btw, not all christians go door-knocking and theyre mainly johovah's witnesses. and if they dont like it, they dont have to listen. easy as that. plus, i dont think that we are threatening your free will. no one can take that away from you. were just trying to offer you some ways to make use of that free will.
and i dont think guy is preaching thru his music. u can look at it any way u like. and yes, i will still support him but i believe that he wont goagainst God's way. plainly, becos he loves God and is using his free will to do not only what God wants, but what he wants also.

charmagne » 1 December, 2003 7:08 PM

I didn't say Guy was preaching through his music. Some people have made the comment that they would like to see him sing secular music and my point was that i wasn't interested in such. Can you really argue that you can have free will if you are punished for the 'wrong choice'? Surely there is no wrong choice in relation to God if there is free will. I am also aware that Jehovah's Witnesses are the main culprits in the door to door harassment, however Jehova is merely a more fundamental form of Christianity. If i don't want to I don't have to listen. You are entirely correct. However my own home is exactly that and in my own home I have the right to privacy.
The way you are trying to sell Christianity to me now is as an insurance policy. Indeed that does not seem the most pious view to have? Belief for the sake of belief makes no sense. I am more than willing to accept people who choose to follow a faith or relationship with the 'dude' upstairs, however I must reiterate that i find it wholly offensive when the same respect is not returned and instead Christianity is pushed to me through music, television and even in my own home. A live and let live attitude must prevail, as too many battles have been fought on such grounds in the past and continue into the future.

Jobby » 1 December, 2003 9:10 PM

Should not a persons worth be judged on what they are rather than what they do. If a person believes in god as an 'insurance policy', charmagne, can they ever truly have faith? If all your actions are decided purely either to save yourself from eternal damnation, or to please god, then can you really be judged as a good person. You may think that gods will is a good motive for all your actions but it will not change the person you are, and this I believe, is the most important aspect in ones spiritual development.

mythy » 1 December, 2003 10:10 PM

No i don't think of christianity as an insurance policy, but for those who don't understand why we should serve God, it may be used as a first step until they fully understand... I'm just asking watz wrong with givin Christianity a shot? if u dont like it, then turn away. if u dont wanna hear about it, as soon as the song comes on turn off ur tv or radio.. if someone comes round to ur house, lock the door and dont answer it.. simple

charmagne » 1 December, 2003 11:35 PM

and mythy, God doesn't judge you on good works or if you're a good person.. he knows we're not perfect so he forgives us.. he judges us according to wheteher or not we believe n love Him.. and wat exactly do u mean about "Should not a persons worth be judged on what they are rather than what they do"??

charmagne » 1 December, 2003 11:39 PM

I mean that a person can do supposedly 'bad' things according to christian idealisms but be a much better person than someone who follows all the 'rules' of christianity simply to save themselves. If a woman has an abortion and does not repent, but dedicates her entire life to working in a third world country to help other people, is she not a better person than someone who spends their life trying not to displease god for the selfish reason of saving theirself.

» 2 December, 2003 12:01 AM

Freewill should be used to better oneself according to what an individual believes, not so that they can blindly choose christianity for selfish reasons.

» 2 December, 2003 12:03 AM

God forgives.....on the condition of repention. Interesting how these 'conditions' arise. Conditions of free will. Conditions of forgiveness.
Also I must thank you Charmagne for your 'beginners' guide to Christianity. However you insult my intelligence. How can you decide that i haven't given faith in God a fair go? I am baptised and confirmed in the Roman Catholic church and have chosen my beliefs contrary to my upbringing. My choice is not from ignorance. Unlike your blind devotion seems to be.

Jobby » 2 December, 2003 2:16 AM

Sorry about "insulting ur intelligence", but Roman catholicism is totally different to Christianity.. I know we have a choice, whether to repent or not, and if we repent God will forgive us. So wat ur sayin is that u dont want these conditions, and u want God to forgive us no matter wat we do? Even without repenting? Then where is our free will if this happens? Some ppl may not want God to forgive them, so God doesnt wanna force his forgiveness upon those unwilling ppl. p.s. my blind devotion is known as faith, the thing that gets u into heaven..

charmagne » 2 December, 2003 1:10 PM

I believe that some ppl seem to be too intelligent for even themselves, leading them to make supposedly intelligent choices, but in fact make choices which make them 'feel' intelligent. You make life more complicated then it has to be..

charmagne » 2 December, 2003 1:15 PM

to see isnt always to believe.

charmagne » 2 December, 2003 1:43 PM

Thank you to most people here for a great conversation. Unfortunately I'm going to call it to a close now as this and other Aussie Idol posts are increasing my bandwidth costs too much. Thanks.

Darren Rowse » 2 December, 2003 11:28 PM